Hi, here are some issues and my own expectations for MSDIAL and MSFINDER.
MS-DIAL (data independent LC-MS/MS) a. When dealing with Waters MSE data, in my experience, it is better to remove function 3 files (_FUNC003.DAT, _FUNC003.IDX, AND _FUNC003.STS, they are for the lockmass) from the *.raw file before converting into *.abf file for MSIDAL processing. Otherwise, the deconvoluted MS/MS spectra might weird. b. There is always an error "library information should be imported". But I have MSP library downloaded from RIKEN, and use it for the identification. Is it only available when the spot hit any library? c. I am wondering if MSDIAL allows manually identification of any feature since the requisite of uploading spectra to MoNA is that the feature has to be fully identified. If I wanna submit the spectrum of a compound, I know which spot is the compound, but how can I assign metadata to that spot and then submit it? And I think it will be useful to allow to export the identified spot as local database, e.g. *MSP file. d. Can anybody tell me what is correlation based deconvolution? I could not find useful information to fully understand what is it for.
MSFINDER a.Is it possible to the selected rather than all local databases for formula scoring? I think it will be nice for research areas other than metabolomics. b. Is it possible to allow us to mark down the probable correct structure we think? It seems like the "reflect MS-FINDER result to MSP/MAT file" function. The difference is that it would be better to permit us to select the one we want instead of to choose always the top 1 candidate. And it would be very nice to allow exporting the "identified" compound (meta data) together with MS/MS spectrum as a MSP file. It will facilitate building library and then submit to open library since metadata are already there. Using predicted retention time to structure elucidation is really a good idea. However, is it possible to allow user to integrate their well train model (for example trained and tested by Retip R package) for the prediction instead of using the simple XLogP method?
Dear Hiroshi Tsugawa, I found that retention time prediction in the latest MSFinder (3.42). When I input the *.txt file following the manual, and load it, all compounds get XLogP value of -1, and same predicted RT. However, it works fine in MSFinder 3.30.
I am not sure if it is suitable to report MSFINDER problem here, but I do not find MSFINDER specific forum. 1. the latest version MSFINDER 3.40 crashes in my computer (win 10 64 bit), but version 3.32 works fine. 2. in MSFINDER 3.32, even though I uncheck many local databases, the final result still take them into account. for example, I only want to use my own database but not any of those embedded database. does anybody know what is wrong?
I am thinking if it is possible to improve the speed of opening Compound Search window when dealing with GC-MS data. I am currently using NIST library. I found that it is very slow to open the Compound Search window (ca. 1). I am wondering if the problem is that Compound Search lists all entries in the library. however, most of them are not useful and might slow down the opening speed. as such, i am asking if it is possible to limit the number of entries in the Compound Search list, for example, 100 entries by default. Or, it would be great to offer users an option to choose how many entries do they want to display.
Could you please explain to me how MS-DIAL calculates the "fill"? because I found that in many cases, the S/N ratio of a certain alignment spot in many samples is small than that in blanks, but not 0. Will those samples be included in the "fill"? I am guessing that MS-DIAL calculates S/N or height/area of each spot once it detects the quan mass. but it seems more reasonable to calculate those values only when the spectrum correspondent to that spot, let's say when spectrum similarity higher than 80%. by this way, we can know which samples really contain that component. because when i checked my data, i found that some samples have very high S/N ratio of a certain spot, but actually the component is absent in those samples.
In addition, it will be of great help to have a single column tell that which samples have that component.
Does anybody know how to convert NIST library into *.MSP file together with retention index information? it will be of great help to use that *.MSP library for GC-MS features annotation in MS-DIAL. I have tried to use lib2nist for this purpose, however, there is no retention index when applying MS-DIAL. I am not sure if the problem is the *.MSP file or MS-DIAL cannot recognize it. We have a library named W10N14, I am not sure what is it, but I guess it is a combination of Wiley and NIST library. When I convert this library into *.MSP file, MS-DIAL can recognize retention index information. The problem is that W10N14.MSP uses both real and estimated retention index. for high accuracy annotation, I think using the specified retention index (selected column type) like NIST MS search does is good. However, how to prepare a library with retention index information (specified column type) is a problem. I am thinking if it is possible to modify the *.MSP file by retrieving the specified column type retention index from NIST website, but unfortunately, I am know how to program.
Hello everyone, Can anybody explain to me how does MS-DIAL take a representative spectrum for each aligned peaks? In my GC-MS project, I recently found that there are many peaks that remain unidentified possibly due to the representative spectra were not good. I say that because when I manually checked their spectra in AMDIS, many of them can be identified with a high match. I was thinking if the problem was the deconvolution process; however, I have tried to use different sigma values (0.3, 0.5, and 0.7) for deconvolution and it did not improve too much. In addition, many of them have a unit peak in the chromatogram. As such, I prefer to know how does MS-DIAL takes the representative spectrum. Maybe I have too much samples for alignment, and MS-DIAL did not take the best spectrum for some peaks?
Thank you very much for your great effort in developing and maintaining MS-DIAL. I am thinking if it is possible to export alignment results (representative spectra) to MSP files together with metadata, e.g. retention time, S/N, etc. MS-DIAL has a very good option to search against MS libraries though, it is a little bit tricky when searching against NIST as well as Wiley libraries because they don't have RI information suitable for MS-DIAL. After identified by MS-DIAL, I still have to check each identification using RI information. For me, it is more convenient to use the NIST MS Search. However, the .MSP file exported from MS-DIAL does not contain metadata, retention time, S/N, etc., and it is a little bit tricky to correspond MSP entry to the peak spot. Is it possible to incorporate metadata, especially retention time, when exporting the alignment results (representative spectra) into .MSP file?