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Scan numbering for DDA/IDA-experiments

Dear Forum,

we are conducting metabolomic experiments using a AB Sciex 5600 TripleToF with DDA (Data Dependendent Aquisition) unsing R 3.6.0 under MSnbase (2.9.5) and xcms (3.5.5).
So we have MS1-scans and MS2-scans intrinsically in the raw data files.

The question here refers, on how to obtain the correct number of scans per peak in one file. The raw data was read with:
readMSData(files = files, pdata = new("NAnnotatedDataFrame", pd), msLevel. = 1)

Given the information from the function chromPeaks(object, bySample = FALSE, rt = numeric(), mz = numeric(), ppm = 0, type = "any"), this results in the following table.

               mz    mzmin    mzmax     rt  rtmin  rtmax      into      intb     maxo  sn egauss mu sigma  h  f dppm scale scpos scmin scmax lmin lmax sample is_filled
CP000001 185.0415 185.0409 185.0423 46.568 40.745 53.293 1623.3019 1605.9049 193.8009  25     NA NA    NA NA  6    1     9   169   160   178  148  185      1         0
CP000002 185.0419 185.0409 185.0429  3.887  0.724  6.577  763.4537  755.4926 170.2468  21     NA NA    NA NA  6    4     7    15     8    22    3   25      1         0
CP000003 512.8859 512.8845 512.8887 51.321 49.069 52.634  322.0898  319.1189 175.0130 174     NA NA    NA NA  7    8     7   182   175   189   87   93      1         0
CP000004 271.9464 271.9443 271.9484 51.321 48.780 53.293  303.1867  299.2378 142.4416 141     NA NA    NA NA  8    8     7   182   175   189   87   95      1         0
CP000005 385.9267 385.9250 385.9298 51.321 48.780 53.293  275.9011  271.9522 131.7186 131     NA NA    NA NA  9    5     7   182   175   189   87   95      1         0
CP000006 498.9059 498.9042 498.9077 50.666 49.069 53.293  256.1620  252.5414 133.5325 133     NA NA    NA NA 10    7     7   181   174   188   87   94      1         0

Is it okay to use the colums "scmin" "scmax", i.e. to compute scmax - scmin to get the correct number of scans for each peak,
or is there a need to take into account, that several scans need to be omitted for MS2-scans?

Basically the question (for DDA-experiments) simply condenses on how the scan numbering works:
How are the MS1-scans are numbered intrinsically?
How are the MS2-scans are numbered intrinsically?

By the way, what is the meaning of the columns lmin lmax? I could not find the meaning in the documentation of  chromPeaks() ...

Thanks for an answer.

kind regards

Re: Scan numbering for DDA/IDA-experiments

Reply #1
Hi Tony,

While I have know the answers to your question, you could probably test it by filtering out the MS/MS data using MSConvert. Compare the original data to the filtered data and see if they are the same.

Alternatively, you could take a look at one of the files like this:
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# Read data file
raw_data<-readMSData(files = files[1], pdata = new("NAnnotatedDataFrame", pd), msLevel. = 1)
# Extract out spectra data

# Iterate through the spectra list and obtain relevant information
specl<-lapply(spec,function(x) c(x@msLevel,x@rt,x@scanIndex))

# Compact list to matrix

This will create a matrix that contains the msLevel, retention time and scan number for every scan in the data. It shouldn't take long to cross reference a couple peaks to confirm whether 'scmin/scmax' need to be adjusted. If so, you have just generated a matrix that can be used to calculate the new scan counts!

Regarding lmin and lmax: I am not too sure about these. They can be found in the CentWave code, where they are found to be the minimum 'continuous wavelet transform' (CWT) coefficients on either side of a peak. Interestingly, it looks like rtmin/rtmax are defined using the same values.
I could be way off, but I think scmin/scmax are estimates of the peak bounds based on the CWT.

As it looks like 'into' is calculated using the bounds defined in lmin/lmax, perhaps these are the better columns for you to use. But do note that these values are not always referenced from scan 1.

Re: Scan numbering for DDA/IDA-experiments

Reply #2
I would be careful with the scmin/scmax lmin/lmax columns - I do not recall what they exactly mean. We do by default not record from which spectrum the data of a chromatographic peak comes, but with the retention time and m/z range available it is easy to subset/extract all spectra for one chromatographic peak.

What exactly do you want/need to do with the data? Maybe there is a simple solution for that...

Re: Scan numbering for DDA/IDA-experiments

Reply #3
This is simply needed to calculate how many scans each chromatographic peak has in order to set the cycle time and mass range approriately (at least on average).


Re: Scan numbering for DDA/IDA-experiments

Reply #4
One possibility would be to first extract the ion chromatograms for all detected peaks and then count the number of data points in each:

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## Subset to one file, assuming xdata is an XCMSnExp with identified chrom peaks
xdata_1 <- filterFile(xdata, 1)
chrs <- chromatogram(xdata_1, rt = chromPeaks(xdata_1)[, c("rtmin", "rtmax")],
        mz = chromPeaks(xdata_1)[, c("mzmin", "mzmax")])
## median number of scans for all peaks in a the file

Note: this should be done separately for each file, hence the filterFile step.